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Mardi 30 Juin 2009 02:13:26
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ChrisBEL29
CA Team
Belgium
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Steph - I haven't tried that particular combo, but last week I sailed the SL80 with a TR5 10.0 and that worked fine so my guess is that SL70 still works well with 9.0. I'm afraid 9.8 will be too big though.
Cheers,
c
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Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 06:22:49
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steph59
CA Rider
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Hi Chris,
I would be very interested to hear your feedback about the CA80 with 10m !
Also what kind of fin did you use ?
See U
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Mardi 18 Août 2009 07:06:59
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vincent
CA Team
France
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Salut Stephane,
I've seen Chris riding the 80 with 10.0 in Gruissan. It's amazing ! only 2-3 guys with formula and 12.0+ riding and Chris was flying despite a sail which looks more a hiwind formula sail than a pure lightwind slalom sail. Impressive !
Combos tried and approved at my size, 85 kg (190 lbs)
CA 52, 5.0 - 6.0 = Venom 30
CA 52, 6.7 = venom 32 or Deboichet SL4 30
CA 55, 5.5/6.0 = Venom 30 or 32
CA 55, 6.7 = Venom 32 or 34
CA 58, 5.5 = V32
CA58, 6.0 = V34
CA 58, 6.7 = V36 ou V34. V38 should be fine too for lighter winds
CA 62, 6.7 = V38
CA 62, 7.6 = V40 ou V42
CA 70, 7.6 / 6.7 = V44
CA 70, 8.4 = V46 ou V44 ou Deboichet SL2 42
CA 70, 9.0 = SL2 44
All sails are Gaastra Vapor. All these combos were super fast. Mast track 0-3cm behind the middle.
Cheers
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Mercredi 18 Novembre 2009 02:18:27
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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Still no news about the Talon fins on CarbonArt?
I need something to match SL58 and SL66 with 6.3 to 7.6 sails. Already own Falcon 32, 34 and 36; and Tomcat 38.
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Vendredi 20 Novembre 2009 04:02:37
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Dodo
CA Rider
United States
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My set up:
SL 52
Hot Sail GPS 5.5 + 30 Talon
Hot Sail GPS 6.0 + 30 Talon
Hot Sail GPS 6.6 (too big) + 32 Vector Rockit
SL 58
Hot Sail GPS 6.0 + 34 Talon
Hot Sail GPS 6.6 + 34 Talon
Hot Sail GPS 7.3 (too big) + 36 Goldwing
Isonic-111
Hot Sail GPS 6.6 + 40 Talon (36 Goldwing)
Hot Sail GPS 7.3 + 40 Talon
Hot Sail GPS 8.0 + 40 Talon
Mike Lab 130
SuperFreak 5.3 (what ?!$%$#@!%)
Hot Sail GPS 7.3 + 46 Mirage
Hot Sail GPS 8.0 + 52 Mirage, bit big for the sail, but the board feels like she is on hydrofoils!
I'll be switching boards mid-season but sail quiver, and fins will be the same. I'll keep 2 boards in the 5.5-7.3 range (Manta 54 or Isonic 56 slim, and a 235x60-62, Is-94 or ...), plus the same mid to light air boards.
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Mercredi 25 Novembre 2009 00:58:04
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PM
Member
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Hi
I do not understand why you use so big fins with smalls slalom boards ...
You lose some control and speed !
For me
CA 58 :
6.7 32 sl4
6.0 30 sl4
box next to 133 with gaatra
Try it
PM
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Mardi 01 Décembre 2009 04:56:37
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Dodo
CA Rider
United States
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Such small fins do not work well, unless you are in very flat water. The board sticks and you actually loose speed. Do some GPS, check 10" or between buoys, and you will notice the difference. CAs in particular require a good size fin compared to their tail width, arguably bigger than modern wider tailed boards carrying the same sail size.
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Vendredi 04 Décembre 2009 10:43:27
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vincent
CA Team
France
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Hi Dodo,
I'm afraid PM is freaking fast. Probably one of the fastest guy on a slalom board I've ever seen. World Cup level, no kidding.
BUT his setting seem to me very specific. Low boom, mast track very far back, short harness lines and small fins.
It works for him, for sure !
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Dimanche 06 Juin 2010 00:29:34
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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Hi all,
did some testing on my SL66 with 7.6 TR-6 using both a Tectonics Tomcat 38 and a Talon 40. Now at last I made up my mind about the Talon and its range of use.
Both fins are great ones, but each one excels in different conditions. The Tomcat is a powerful fin that lifts the board and makes it fly as soon as there is any speed. It is also a stiff fin, that feels very efficient until conditions are easy, but gets "hard" at higher speeds and nervous in choppy waters.
The Talon is not as powerful in marginal conditions; at low speeds it's tricky to keep the windward rail up and the board can get a "sticky" feel. Once well powered up, the board pops out of the water and flies with stunning control; one feels totally confident to push 100%, no matter the water state or how much overpowered. The Talon simply feels as if it was not there, and this may lead to go 1 size up with no problem at all. I mostly use my 40 in flat water with SL66 and 7.6, but also felt great in good wind swell with SL62 and 7.0.
In the end my idea is that neither fin is a 100% substitute for the other one; unless one is going to sail always overpowered in downwind racing, in which case the obvious choice is the Talon. Personally, I am going to complete my quiver with (34?) 36, 38 and 42 Talons. I will keep my 38 Tomcat, or change it for a 40. It seems to me the "size equivalence" between Talon and Tomcat is closer to 4 cms. than to 2 (meaning a 38 Tomcat is roughly equivalent in wind range to a 42 Talon).
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Lundi 07 Juin 2010 16:13:57
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ChrisBEL29
CA Team
Belgium
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Hi Geo
Thanks for the feedback. Have you tried a C3 Sting yet? It's quite similar to the Talon but I find it has a better/easier top-end control - which usually means more speed. Both are good fins though, and comparable size-for-size.
I'm really liking my SL66 with a 38 Sting with 7.0, and a 40 Sting with 7.6 (both TR6xt).
cheers
c
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Lundi 07 Juin 2010 20:58:21
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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Hi Chris,
didn't have the chance to test the Sting fins but I believe they are just as good as the Talons. It's just that I had to take a decision. Anyhow, from my experience and from what I read around, I suspect the Talon are closer to the Venom than to the Sting.
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Mardi 08 Juin 2010 13:43:33
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ChrisBEL29
CA Team
Belgium
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Hi Geo - have to disagree with you on that one: for sure the Sting is more comparable to the Talon than the Venom is. The Venom has quite a bit more rake and creates less lift, while the Sting is a more powerful upright fin just like the Talon. The latter are genuine slalom racing fins, while the Venom is more designed for top end speed.
As you said - all good fins though!
ciao
c
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Mardi 08 Juin 2010 17:54:11
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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That's what I used to think. Only, after some sessions on the Talon I found a few things I didn't expect. In first, the Talon likes to be generously sized: 40 feels a nice size for SL66 + 7.6 when powered up, but I definitely want a 42 for that combo too. Second, even when overpowered and on a Talon, you never feel there is anything bolted under the board - unless for it tracks and goes upwind. Both things seem to me are usually related to Venoms. When I read reports about the Sting instead, they make me think about some kind of powerful but "better mannered" Tomcat-like fin (to refer to objects I know).
Of course one should test all of them in appropriate sizes to tell, which I didn't.
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Lundi 14 Juin 2010 00:28:49
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steph59
CA Rider
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Another question to Chris and Vince about the differences between venom 44 and 46 on the SL70 with 8,5 (weight 95 kgs).
I have a talon 46 but it feels too big when well powered up, it's not a problem of control but more a problem of speed, the board feels "sticky" (a lot of surface in the water), the trim is low (nose is low on the water) and the board does not really "fly" ... no matter the setting (boom is high, mast is 1/3 back)
In the low end no problem at all it performs very very well. Maybe it's the fin which is too big (I bought it for a Isonic 122 which is a larger board but came back to the SL70 ...)
What would you do ? Talon 42 ? Venom 44 ? 46 ?
I once had the V44 with 8m on the SL70 and was very satisfied with it, but now with 8,5 (but 20kgs less bodyweight), should I take a V44 or a V46 ? The V46 does it feel really slower than the V44 ? I don't want do have the same feeling that I have with the talon 46 ...
I also have a talon 40, do you think it can work well with the 70 in powered conditions or is it definitely too small or is the profile not suited for the board ?
As usual : thanks 
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Lundi 14 Juin 2010 19:42:34
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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Neither Chris nor Vince, I'd like to suggest a few thoughts.
Couldn't it simply be that 1 fin can not do it all? I give as obvious that on my SL66 the Talon 42 will be the perfect size, 40 good for higher winds and 44 only for marginal conditions.
Talon 40 feels smallish for me (85 kg) on the 66 in nicely powered up conditions with 7.6; seems just perfect for the 7.0. As for the profile, probably it's the usual NACA 63A010 (maybe thickness modified to 9.5%?) that most fin manufacturers use, or some other similar laminar profile, so no reason to doubt it works (as long as bread and butter does).
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Mardi 22 Juin 2010 22:29:47
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ChrisBEL29
CA Team
Belgium
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Hi Stephane:
Sorry for my late reply - was on the road, and on the water 
OK, let's see.
You liked the feeling of the Venom 44 with 8.0, and didn’t like the Talon 46 with 8.5. My suggestion is to stick with what you liked in the first place, and get a Venom 46.
Don’t be baffled by the size: it is a different fin than the Talon 46 that you didn’t like. It has a narrower, finer and more flexing/twisting tip than the Talon, which means its speed potential is much more accessible. You can actually stay sheeted in and accelerate in the gusts much more easily. At the same time at 46cm and a more swept back outline it will provide enough nose lift to fly over the chop. Finally, Venoms aren’t easily overpowered so I suspect you will be able to carry it a long way up into the SL70’s wind range. I don't suspect there will be a significant speed difference between the Venom44 and 46. If anything you might actually be faster with the Venom 46 & 8.5 than you were with the 44 and 8.0
As for the Talon 40 I would certainly give it a try. In fact, the SL70 has such a huge range that you can still efficiently sail it with 7.0, and for that relatively small sail the Talon 40 might just be right. (By way of comparison: I tried a Talon 38 under the SL62 with 7.0 and really liked the combo.)
Let us know if you have further questions.
Have fun!
c
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Mardi 22 Juin 2010 22:40:27
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ChrisBEL29
CA Team
Belgium
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Now that I'm at it I might as well give an update of what I'm currently using almost mid-way into our racing season:
SL75:
- 8.4 & Sting 44 ***
- 7.6 & Sting 42 **
SL66
-7.6 & Sting 40 ***
-7.0 & Sting 38 **
SL55
-7.0 & Sting 32 or Venom 34 **
-6.3 & Sting 32 ***
-5.9 & Sting 30 ***
The stars behind each combo is like a personal rating: *** means that that's my preferred combo.
Hope this is of any interest
c
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Jeudi 01 Juillet 2010 05:00:38
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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Just had a glorious week, sailing 6 days out of 7 in nice conditions and testing various Maui Sails TR-6/Tectonics Talon combinations.
Definitely Talon 42 is "the" fin size for SL66 and 7.6. 44 is OK when one wants to expand the low end, but broad reach speeds suffers as it keeps the nose a bit too low. 40 is really nice in very well powered up 7.6 conditions, but felt too big with 7.0, unless in marginal "mistaken sail size" conditions. I still have to test such sail size (7.0) on the SL66 with the 36 Talon. I didn't like the 36 Talon on the SL58, as in my view it slows the board down too much.
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Lundi 05 Juillet 2010 20:37:23
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steph59
CA Rider
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Thank you to all of you.
I choose the 46cm C3 venom from Vince 
I hope it will work well but i'm sure it will. I was not aware about the effect of the swept back (rake) on the trim of the board, that makes more sense now.
The C3 venoms are really great fins, I like them very much.
I'm also still curious about the CA80 vs the 70 in light winds. Does it makes any sense to have both of them for a 95kgs rider ? Let's say I have CA70 and 8,5 and CA80 with 9,8, will I plane earlier ? By how much ?
I don't want to take a formula and I don't like rigs over 10m so that's not an option and usually CA70 and 8,5 is really big enough for my local spot but during summer it's another story we sometimes have winds btw 10/13kts instead of our "usual" 13/18kts 
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Mardi 06 Juillet 2010 18:39:25
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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I have to add that recently I made a brief test of a Deboichet R16sl 42 (a weird small size) and found it incredibly nice in those superlight conditions. Tested it on an RRD 112 with my TR-6 7.6 barely powered. Plenty powerful, well balanced.
In the end, there are so many great nice fins out there, and probably each one has a specific advantage in some kind of conditions. So, unless one is a top racer and looking for that elusive 1/2 knot advantage (and with plenty of time and money to experiment them all), it's probbaly better to choose a reliably good fin brand/model and stick with it in its various sizes, learn how to get the best out of it.
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