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Lundi 15 Février 2010 08:38:18
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tim.schaefer
Member
Emplacement:
Germany
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CA SL70
Hi!
What has changed from 2008 to 2010 with this model?
The volume changed from 115 to 112l, this I know so far. Is there something else?
Is the performance and riding style and so the same?
Cheers
Tim
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Mardi 16 Février 2010 00:27:32
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pettersevenius
CA Team
Sweden
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My SL70 was a couple of years older than 2008 so I can't really answer your specific question, but I have tried a friend's latest SL70 and must say it was sweet like a dream! Have not compared the measurements but, compared to my old SL70, the new one felt a bit faster, more comfortable in high speed and had much better control when you are over powered. For the size, it is a really fast slalom board, my friend have done 35 knots on it with his GPS. The light and easy feeling when sailing is definitely the same and it is still very good in gusty light wind where it flies through the lulls. This was a pro model, making it much stiffer and giveing more direct response, you feel the smallest ripple through the board.
I still think the old SL70 is very sweet and competitive so, since i'm not competing, I would not upgrade just for the sake of it. More practice and time on the water would probably give me more payback than just buying a new board but the latest model is an excellent piece of art and the best board in this size I have ever tried!
Cheers / P
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Mercredi 17 Février 2010 10:57:13
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ChrisBEL29
CA Team
Belgium
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Hi Tim,
I had an 08 and 09 SL70 and really like both very much. As Petter said, the SL range is all about performance *and* control, which is crucial in slalom competition as it allows you to focus wholly on the race.
James can probably back this up more specifically, but I believe the SLs have gotten slightly thinner over the years, especially in the mid and forward sections with still a good volume under the back foot, while the rails have also been slightly made more smooth for an easier entry into the jibes.
The SL70 is still a bench mark board in the range, and you can't go wrong whichever one you get.
cheers
c
ps: there are 2 action on my 09 SL70 in my profile: http://www.carbonartwindsurf.com/Users/CA-Team/Christophe-Waerzeggers
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Jeudi 18 Février 2010 05:59:02
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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Hi Tim,
I had an SL58 '08, and have 55 and 62 '09, 58 and 66 '10. Assuming the changes I saw on smaller boards regard all of the size range, here is what I found.
Construction. '08 was extra light and a bit flexy, one could really sense the nose flexing up and down while sailing, which made for a very nice soft feel like having 'shock absorbers' but in my view didn't affect performances as the tail felt super stiff instead. Finish was accurate but minimal. '09 and '10 boards are much stiffer, a tad heavier, better finished and feel sturdier.
Bottom vee. My '08 SL58 had plenty of, which made for a super nice jibe with plenty of control. '09 and '10 boards have much less vee; jibe is still super easy but no more all that much 'waveboard like'. On the other hand, performances on '09 and '10 boards IMHO got much better. Also glide through lulls and drive through the jibes are now much more effective. The new boards simply don't want to slow down when power is off (I account for this on the much less vee, but maybe true reason is different).
Rockerline: this got even smoother, making for an almost undetectable transition from sub-plane to plane. '09 and '10 boards ask for less push to get planing.
Deck shape. '09 boards have a slightly thinner tail; '10 boards have very slightly bulkier rails from front straps to mast track, making for a slightly 'straighter' deck shape look.
In brief, subtle evolution made for better and better boards; but still I believe my '08 SL58 would be perfectly comparable to modern competition.
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Samedi 20 Février 2010 19:36:24
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lulla
CA Rider
France
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Hi
After a first navigation with my new SL70 2010, I was able to compare with my 07/08.
I found it less jammed, lighter, thinner and faster. Otherwise I still cannot understand why with the same combo fin / sail (SL2 42/8m warp), I have some spinout. I am going to need to resolve it. If you have an idea.
The box of mast foot is more forward but the position is exactly the same (about 137). It is not a problem but I don't know why.The nose is also lower on the water without repercussions.
But it is only a first impression because here it is winter and we do not go to the water a lot.
Cheers
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Lundi 22 Février 2010 11:50:17
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ChrisBEL29
CA Team
Belgium
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Hi Lulla - great to hear you like your sl70. Interesting indeed what you say about spinout. The 42 should be a good size fin for that board. Maybe because of the slightly different volume distribution you have to slightly adjust your back/front foot pressure? Hopefully temperature will rise soon so you can have some more time on the board.
cheers
c
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Jeudi 27 Janvier 2011 09:59:11
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noell
Member
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is there some shape update for the sl 70 2011?
What's the use of it for folks 82kg?
Trying to figurate out how to build my new CA quiver coming from average Isonic range 131-111-86.
With CA I hope to be able to pull out the max performance of any size quiver board being not a big dog.
I guess the IS are very good boards for slalom comp but lately,I guess,they've been redressed for heavy weights.
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Vendredi 28 Janvier 2011 23:11:05
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vincent
CA Team
France
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Ciao Giu,
i would go
Slalom 58 (7.0 and down) My favourite !
Slalom 66 (7.0 and 7.8) excellent board in this range.
Slalom 75 (7.8, 8.6 and 9.5) approved by Pierre Moretti who is 100kg.
or
Slalom 58
Slalom 70 (70 up to 8.6) close to IS 111
Slalom 80 (8.6 and 9.5) close to IS 131
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Samedi 29 Janvier 2011 11:27:53
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noell
Member
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Slalom 70 (70 up to 8.6) close to IS 111
Slalom 80 (8.6 and 9.5) close to IS 131
what you mean with "close"?
Slalom 75 (7.8, 8.6 and 9.5) approved by Pierre Moretti who is 100kg.
Maybe Pierre sails with no less than 12/13k...
p.s. I'm Noell
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Samedi 29 Janvier 2011 21:43:37
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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Ouch...
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Dimanche 30 Janvier 2011 10:46:48
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vincent
CA Team
France
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Close means : just the same volume under feet. perfect with 7.8, fine with 8.6 and 7.0. The CA 70 is the very same size as IS 111 and RRD 112. The latest 70 is a bit smaller on the tail than the latest IS 111 and feels easier under backfoot.
The latest 70 (2009 and after) is thiner on the tail and upper rails. The board is smoother to ride overall. Easier and so faster. The board is just better staying in the same "philosophy". Worth to try (and change...).
Pierre races the 9.5 when he needs it, 7-15 knots. He used to be a pro racer in the F2 international team.
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Jeudi 03 Février 2011 16:01:19
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Dodo
CA Rider
United States
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Hi Noell, I own CAs and Isonics, I am lighter than you, and I am not sure what you think a CA will get you that an Isonic doesn't. The Isonics are incredibly easy to sail once you get used to the modern "short" hull standard (Starboard/RRD/JP/Manta etc): all PWA female use them ... As you probably know a short hull makes the board slightly less reactive to a "passive" style of sailing, but if one is using these slalom boards as they should, i.e. powered to overpowered, the issue is rather moot. (if you are freeriding ... well that is different: get a Futura, I tried a 93 (2010) this summer and it is quite a great board, I bet that 90% of the time it is as fast as my slalom, the 2011 are even faster).
Since you already have an Isonics quiver and you are used to them, I would go as far as to discourage a switch to a CA. I have both a CA 58 (2009) and an Is-86S (2010) and I personally prefer the Is (more compact, less nervous). It is a personal preference of course, and I see no reasons to claim that one is much better than the other as often done, in hyperbolic (and occasionally nonsensical) terms, in this forum.
I have a Is-111 (2009) and no experience with the CA-70, but I always amazed at the range of the Is-111: I use 6.6 to 8.0 and my 70Kg weight could use a 9.0 (in competition Dunkerbeck regularly uses a 8.5 on it, and he is 110Kg). If anything, and although this things are VERY hard to determine, the consensus on the forum out there is that when you go from 2008 to 2009/2011 the range of the larger Isonics is even bigger, with easier control at the high end.
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Vendredi 04 Février 2011 02:37:40
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vincent
CA Team
France
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Hi There,
Both boards are very good and the main advantage (if there is only one) is the quality and precision of construction for carbon art slalom boards.
Considering sailing, CA are a bit less powerfull under feet, whichs means easier to drive at high speed and strong shop in my mind. You can release pressure under backfoot without starting to tailwalking or nose diving.
Dodo, you shoud try a more recent 58 (2009 and after) you will find what you need.
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Vendredi 04 Février 2011 20:48:29
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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Vincent is right. It makes little sense to compare CA's and iS's without specifying the model year. Both have changed quite a bit, from my experience and that of friends.
CA's from '09 on are more free and fast than '08 and even easier through chop: less vee, lower nose, more tuck, the boards changed a lot even though maintained their 'feel'. iS's changed a lot from '09 to '10, becoming more free but at the expense of their famed wide range and control.
I was able to sail against a '09 iS111 with my CA SL62, both on 7.6 - 7.7 sails, with no problem; the same friend on '10 iS111 probably needed me on a CA SL70 to match his power, but is now considering a smaller board for use with 7.0 in higher winds, while he was perfectly OK in such conditions on his '09 board.
In my view, the iS111/107 'ideal conditions' have changed from 'general use 7.0 - 7.8' board to 'flat water 7.8 - 8.6'. Meanwhile, CA's have been refined and are getting more and more range year by year, while maintaining excellent control in rough conditions.
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