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Wednesday 27 May 2009 7:02:24 am
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Location:
Italy
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Which sails and fins for CarbonArt
Hi all,
why don't we write a few lines about our favourite board/sail/fins combos? I think this could be plenty useful in order to learn what others use and exploit our CA boards the best way. Choosing the right board size and according sail/fin quiver isn't that easy after all, plus Carbon Art boards are pretty unique designs, so that a right choice could be difficult.
In my case:
- in 2008 season, I used a CA SL58 '08 with 6.3 and 7.0 Maui Sails TR-4, mostly with 32 and 34 Tectonics Falcon fins; after that experience, I reckon such quiver would be even better when completed with a 36 fin for lighter wind;
- for 2009, I have CA SL 55 and 62; 5.9, 6.6 and 7.6 TR-5; 32, 34 and 36 Falcon and 38 Tomcat fins; the 62 seems OK with both 7.6 and 6.6, 38 Tomcat, with pretty nice overlap; 6.6 and 36 Falcon for higher range; the 55 seems OK with 6.6 and 34 Falcon, did't sail it enough yet with 5.9 to comment but I'm sure it will be perfect.
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Wednesday 27 May 2009 7:57:11 am
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l'italien
CA Rider
France
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Ciao Giorgio, oggi seconda uscita con la CA55 et TR3 5.9 22-26 nt ovest
la tavola é fantastica, ne chop corto di Fos con l'Ovest super stabile.
prima con la C3 venom 32 tavola ultra stabile e rassicurante ma bolina media Vmax 28.5
poi con la Deboichet SL4 32 tavola piu viva, meno stabile bolina molto migliore et Vmax à 29.6...
sono super contento dell'acquiste, breavo Jeames!
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Wednesday 27 May 2009 10:03:50 am
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ChrisBEL29
CA Team
Belgium
Moderated by: Quiqcorp Admin
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Good idea. Here's my list for 09:
SL70
- 8.4 TR5 & 46 venom
- 7.6 & 44
SL62
- 7.6 & 42
- 6.6 & 40
SL55
- 6.6 & 34
- 5.9 & 32
SP44
- 5.9 & 26
- 5.1 & 24
Corrado - interesting that you recorded better speeds with the SL4 fin. Do I understand correctly that you had slightly less control than with the Venom? Other differences in feel between both fins?
cheers
c
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Wednesday 27 May 2009 6:37:00 pm
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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Ciao Corrado,
così alla fine Vince ti ha convinto? Non credo ti dispiaccia!
Il 55 è un vero gioiello, incredibile come combini tanta potenza rispetto alle dimensioni con una facilià disarmante. Vedrai che anche con 6.6 va benissimo (a mio avviso, meglio del 58 con 7.0).
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Wednesday 27 May 2009 10:50:31 pm
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bubu
CA Rider
France
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ola, les ritals, je veux bien qu'on parle anglais ici, mais l'italien cela va devenir compliqué.
Corrado, super perf pour les débuts .
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Wednesday 27 May 2009 10:54:07 pm
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bubu
CA Rider
France
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Mes combos 2009 sont :
SL 70:
Vapor 8.4 + 44 C3 Venom
SL 58:
Vapor 6.7 + 36 C3 Venom
Vapor 6.0 + 34 C3 Venom
SL 52:
Vapor 6.0 + 32 ou 30 Venom
Vapor 5.5 + 30 Venom
Vapor 5.0 + 30 ou 28 Venom
Christophe as tu essayé le 44 avec la 70 ?
Si ou trouves tu de meilleures performance avec le 46 ?
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Thursday 28 May 2009 8:38:20 am
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l'italien
CA Rider
France
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En effat Criss la SL4.1 va plus vite et cap mieux, en revanche la planche est bien moins stable en laterale et moins rassurante.
Le plan d'eau été assai technique (chop court et imprevisible).
Moi j'aivait un peut d'apprension car je voulais pas abimer la planche. je suis loins de mes limites....
Mes réglages vont evoluer : je pense navigeur plus au de wish (normal PdM à 139 au lieux de 135 de la IS87)
Je pense pouvoir creuser plus la voile car la planche est tres equilibrée et absorbe mieux la puissance.
En tous cas j'aivais pas resentie autant de confort depuis mon AB+ 54 bleu (Ubaldi shape)!
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Thursday 28 May 2009 6:52:56 pm
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ChrisBEL29
CA Team
Belgium
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@Bruno: oui - j'ai essayé le v44 sous la SL70, c'est un combo excellent pour le slalom en 7.6 lorsqu'il y des molles sur le parcours. sinon en 7.6 je prend la SL62. le v46 donne un meilleur appui en 8.4, ou le replacement devient très important en course. il donne aussi un meilleur lift ce qui est appréciable pour une meilleur vitesse
@Corrado: j'ai pas encore essayé les deb sl4 - bientot j'espère. hier soir une nav musclé en SL55 et 5.9 + v32 dans du vrai chantier. le controle du v32 est phénoménale. je suis persuadé que tu puisses faire bien plus que 30nds avec (en fait, je suis sur que j'ai fait des runs à plus hier soir, mais j'avais pas mon gps  ). les venoms ont une sorte de cinquième (ou sixième si tu veux  ) vitesse que tu peux atteindre une fois l'aileron est bien 'chargé' (loaded, en anglais): alors tu peux vraiment lifter la planche sur l'aileron et accelerer encore au largue.
en fin de journée j'ai encore sorti la SP44 pour me faire plaisir - une vrai balle  elle ridiculise le clapot :d
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Sunday 31 May 2009 8:53:39 am
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loopy
CA Rider
New Zealand
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Here are my preferences
SL 70 with my 8.4 NP mark II slalom and a C3 46 venom fin
when it get windier but still gusty then I will chop down from the 8.4 to the 7.2 mark II and a 42 Venom
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Sunday 31 May 2009 8:56:03 am
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loopy
CA Rider
New Zealand
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Here are my preferences. (I am 105 kg and 202 cm (6"7) tall btw)
SL 70 with my 8.4 NP mark II slalom and a C3 46 venom fin
when it get windier but still gusty then I will chop down from the 8.4 to the 7.2 mark II and a 42 Venom
SL62 with my 7.2 NP mark II slalom and a C3 38 venom. This is my dream set up for 20-30 kts of wind.
SL 55 with my 6.2 NP mark II and a 32 cm C3 venom for when its 28-38 kts.
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Sunday 31 May 2009 7:55:39 pm
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l'italien
CA Rider
France
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Encore une belle journée en TR-3 5.9 et CA55 à l'alamanarre par est 20-25 nt bien tassés.
petit chop et plat
La 5.9 va tres bien sur la planche
serie de test ailerons:
SL4.1 32 : planche tres rapide mais un peut instable, Vmax 31.1
C3 venom 32: planche tout aussi rapide, plus stable mais moins de cap et queque spin haut a basse vitasse, Vmax 31.3
SL4.2 34: planche un peut bridée par la taille de la lame, stable avec un bon cap (mais le SL4 32 fait mieux) , Vmax 30.5
Tecto Falcon 30 (si 30!): ma preferée, avec le meilleir cap-vitesse, planche super stable et meillieur vitesse (normal), Vmax 31.6
La planche est vraiment impressionant en facilité et control. le Jibe ultre rapide avec une tres bonne relance.
Je pense pouvoir reculer un peut le pdm du milieu du box en 5.9 car la planche avais tendance à abbatre.
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Monday 01 June 2009 8:51:07 pm
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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Interesting report about the fins, thank you Corrado!
I really like the Falcons. Seems your test confirms my impressions.
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Sunday 14 June 2009 7:12:48 pm
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l'italien
CA Rider
France
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Nouvelle sortie vendredi avec le Carbon art Crew du Brusch (Six Fours)
Ouest 25-30 nt, hard chop et houles de 1,5 mt ou large.
CA55 et TR3 5.9 avec venom 32.
Vincent en CA58+6.0 vapor
Pat en CA 52+ 5.5 vapor
Le combo est super stable et rassurant, la planche avale le plan d'eau et on peut se concentrer sur le pilotage. Top au jibe.
Je manque un peut de cap vitesse par raport aux copins en CA 58+Venom 32 et CA 52+ venom 30, donc je en deduit qu'il s'agit d'un problem de reglage.
Vmax dan le chantier 31 nt.
dans ces condition c'est le top. (Le falcon 30 etant un peut petit sous le pied...)
PS: Le spot est une merveille pour la regularité du vent, le plan d'eau et les paysages.
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Wednesday 17 June 2009 6:22:18 am
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ChrisBEL29
CA Team
Belgium
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salut l'italien
n'hésite pas à reculer un peu le pdm; ça devrait t'aider à monter plus sur l'aileron et de caper mieux. pas de soucis pour t'envoler, même dans le chantier: ce combo planche/aileron a tellement de contrôle..
ciao
c
ps: check mes expériences sur le championnat du monde slalom IFCA dans la section 'news'
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Thursday 18 June 2009 7:18:55 am
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bubu
CA Rider
France
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Félicitations Christophe.
Excellent résultat compte tenu des conditions.
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Thursday 18 June 2009 8:24:03 am
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l'italien
CA Rider
France
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Bravo Chriss pour ta course!
Je met le PdM au milieu du boitier à 139.
Vendredi je devrait pouvoir esseyer a nouveau et je vais reculer un peut le pdm... a suivre.
A tu de retours sur le nouveau Tectonic Talon sur les CA?
J'esite à commander un 34 pour tester.
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Sunday 21 June 2009 3:26:01 am
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steph59
CA Rider
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Hi all !
I have the great chance to own two CA slalom boards, the 62 and the 70 from the Defi wind (thanks to Chris, Vincent and James !)
First of all these boards are fantastic, great great planning abilities and fantastic control and speed.
On the 62 I use a C3 Venom 38 with 7,0 and it is fast like hell ....
On the 70 I have more troubles to find the right fin with 8m.
I've already tried 46 Tomcat (MUCH to big to my taste), 42 Liberty (Okay) and SL2 44 (felt big as well but need more TOW to really know ...)
I really feel comfortable with C3 venoms and would like to stick with it ... but what size ? 42, 44 or 46 ???
Personnaly I wouldn't choose 46 but Chris says it is perfect. In an other hand Chris uses 40 or 42 with the 62 where I feel perfect with the 38 (7m and even 8m !)
I feel I don't like big fins, what would you suggest, 42 or 44 ?
And Chris, where do you put your PDM on these boards ?
Best Regards !
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Sunday 21 June 2009 8:39:25 am
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ChrisBEL29
CA Team
Belgium
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Hi Steph
I was sailing yesterday with the SL70 & 7.6 on the Belgian coast. To me the 44venom is perfect with that size. With 8.4 I go to 46 in flatter to slightly choppy conditions, but keep the 44 when it's rough (steep chop, swell...). For 8.0 I'd say go for the 44, it's probably the best all-round size for the SL70.
I switched back and forth to the SL62 a couple of times to compare against the SL70, and tried the 42 & 40 venom. Similar feeling: in flat water to slight chop the 42 is nice, but in rougher water the 40 gives some extra control.
As for mast track position, I've been experimenting a bit lately. Originally I sailed the mast base in the middle on all sizes/boards. Lately I've experimented with the track further back, especially on the bigger SLs (80, 70 & 62). It makes the board ride a bit higher making for better acceleration - an important feature in a slalom race. Top speed felt very similar. I haven't actually measured the positions I'm trying now but I'm around approx 1/3 from the back of the track.
The venoms give so much control that you can put the base further back without loosing control.
cheers
c
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Monday 22 June 2009 1:04:55 pm
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Brettus
CA Rider
New Zealand
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I use the following combo's for my 3 x SL boards - I'm 87-89 kg
06 SL55 - mainly a 32cm Tectonics falcon and KA Koncept 5.8
Have tried a 7.0 with a 34cm Liberty fin and it worked ok but not ideal.
A 6.3 would be great (if I had one)
08 SL62 - Have been using a 38cm Tectonics goldwing with Simmer 08/09 SC 7.0's but have recently tried a MFC SL2 38cm and find it a bit better as it's got a bit more grunt and alows me to drive the board better and less twitchy. The tectonics is great when fully powered and flattish water to get possibly a bit more top end. Have also used a Simmer 06 TP 7.6 and worked really great too on this board.
07 SL70 - This board has such a big range. Mainly have sailed it with a Tectonics Tomcat 42cm and Simmer 06 TP 7.6 and have had some great days from 11-12 knots to 25 knots. I have also used a Simmer 3XC 8.5 with the tomcat and a 46cm Profin on really light days.
I have found the 42cm tomcat the most versitle fin for most conditions for the SL70. I never feel overfinned and never unferfinned. Only when it's really light the 46cm gives me a bit more drive.
I have also yet to try a 40cm MFC RC2 with the Simmer SC 7.0 on the SL70 on really gusty days when sometimes I get bogged a bit on the SL62 in the light patches.
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Monday 29 June 2009 1:49:02 am
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steph59
CA Rider
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Has someone already tried the CA70 with a 9,0 or a 9,8 ?
I know it would suit the CA 80 better but I would be interested to know if it would works or not because the 62 is working very very well with 8m !
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