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Monday 15 March 2010 4:53:33 am
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gre106
CA Rider
Location:
Greece
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SL 58 ALL ABOUT IT
Hi as iam new in this forum and also a new owner od the ca board (thnks James for the board) of an sl 58 i open this topic to find out the best sail combo and also the best fin choice of this board. And we can exchange opinion and tips for the board set up
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Monday 15 March 2010 10:44:29 am
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swalsh
CA Team
Australia
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Hi gre106, welcome to Carbon Art! Great to hear you have purchased a SL58. The SL58 is a fantastic board with a big range. Actually, I would say it is my favorite in the slalom range! I mainly use a 34cm tectonics fin (36 if you use C3) on this board with a 6.6m, however regularly use the sl58 with my 5.9m and 32cm tectonics also.
As far as fins go, C3 are making some really nice fins these days. I would say they are probably the best fit for these boards. I myself are about to get a bunch after being on tectonics for over 10 years.
I run my mast extension slightly back from center. Play with this until you find your sweet spot.
The board will also handle running larger sails up to a 7.6m, though if in a racing environment you would be better going for a second board to get best results. A Sl58 and SL66 is a sick board combo!!
I believe the SL58 and 6.6m is the ideal combo, particularly if you are doing any figure 8 style racing.
Let us know how you go, and don't be afraid to ask any particular questions you may have!
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Tuesday 16 March 2010 8:43:36 am
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gre106
CA Rider
Greece
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thank you very much .
in case of the two sails combo which once would you recon 5,9 and 7,o
or 6,6 and 7,6
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Tuesday 16 March 2010 9:14:50 pm
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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Hi gre106,
this is my 3rd year on CA boards, I had an SL58 in '08, SL55 and 62 '09 and now SL58 (again) and 66 '10. Agree with swalsh, the 58 is such a sweet size in CA's lineup, I had to get one again!
Personally I used it with 6.3 and 7.0 and think that is an ideal quiver. 6.3 is just smaller than the sweet spot size (which undoubtedly is 6.6), feels very very nice on the board and can hold almost anything the board is capable of; and a powered up 7.0 is the largest size the board will really like to carry. 7.6 is possible by sure, but then in such wind range anything larger would kill the 58 (a CA SL62 in first!). Choosing 5.9 instead of 6.3 would give you a wider range by sure, but would also open a larger gap with the 7.0; so, unless you really have many 5.9 days there, consider whether it's preferrable to have a 'weaker' covering right in the middle of the board's ideal wind range, or at its higher margin. A good 6.3 will hold plenty of wind. Don't know what other boards and sails you have, anyhow.
I would definitely not suggest the 6.6 + 7.6 quiver: that would be nice for an SL 62, but not for a 58. Rather, since you think even a 6.6 as smallest sail would not be a limiting factor, be confident to go for 6.3 and 7.0 and exploit the full range of your new board at its best.
I have Tectonics Falcon 32, 34 and 36 for the 58, but plan to get 1 or 2 Talons now (after testing a 40 with my 66 and 7.6); I'd say 34 for general use and 36 for lightwind 7.0, considering I have the Falcons too. Otherwise a set of Talons in 32 34 and 36 would cover everything.
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Wednesday 17 March 2010 8:43:45 am
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gre106
CA Rider
Greece
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i thin that i go for 5,9 and 7,0 with fin tectonics gold wing 32 34 and 36 venom
i alreay have tr2 6,3 but it is qyite old and used but i thing that will be a good test
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Wednesday 17 March 2010 9:23:37 pm
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swalsh
CA Team
Australia
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You won't go wrong with the sail range 5.9 - 7.0 with Sl58 combo. Let us know how you go once you get sorted and do some sailing on them!
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Friday 19 March 2010 4:50:56 am
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Dodo
CA Rider
United States
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Hi Gre, what a coincidence I was just going to post some impressions.
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CA 58 SL AND TALON 34
CA 58: 20-25 knots, 6.0 6.6 7.3 Hot Sail GPS and Talon 34-36-37. I used Goldwing 36 (and Vector 32, too small) on this board last season. The Talons on the CA confirm my impression of the 37-40-43 I am using with my Isonic 111 (with 6.6, 7.3 and 8.0). Very controllable, hard to spin out, and if it does recovery is immediate. It is a fin you forget to have, very transparent.
The SL58 works well with the Talons but it is still a very technical board to ride. It is easy to sail, but it needs constant attention to stay in asset. Going across/down wind is very unstable transversally, upwind it has a tendency to lift the front. You will not find the "erase the chop" effect, nor the sure footed stability provided by modern slalom with wider tails and thinner back profile. It sails nicely overpowered, but in any other condition seems inefficient.
SAILSIZE: It is a VERY small board, The footprint is actually barely bigger than an Isonic 86/87 (and the quoted volume is questionable, it barely floats my 72Kg). You might be able to use a sail larger than 7.0, but for me the board has some real trouble handling a 7.3 if the wind picks up (Talon 36-37). Don't buy a 7.6 for it, it will not handle it.
It is a high-wind one-sail/one-fin board with a narrow range of use: get a Talon 34 and a 6.6. Little point in having multiple fins or sails: save money and enjoy instead its one-dimensionality using its optimal fin/sail combo.
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CA SL 52 AND TALON 30
Talon 30 + CA SL 52 and 6.6, 6.0, 5.5 and 5.1 . Wind speed from 20 to 28 (gusts) knots.
The 30 Talon confirms the excellent impression of my other Talons: fast, goes well up/downwind, never catches or spins out ... you forget it is there.
The CA 52 is another one-sail-size/one-fin board. Very narrow range of use: best sail is the 5.5, 5.1 too small, 6.6 way too large, 6.0 possible. As expected it is even more one dimensional than the CA SL 58: high wind only, no low end or carrying power to speak of, it is fun in its conditions. The board feels (and looks) too long for its width. To be honest seems to be CAD designed rather than tested on the water. It has a strong tendency to lift in chop, and flexes a lot: occasionally the whole front seems to "shudder".
Ideal: Talon 30, and one sail, 5.5-5.8
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For both boards construction is a disappointment: dents, scratched paint, discolorations (brown spots) at the bottom, and filler chipping off from rails and back are quite all over the place. The boards might be built with precision but they really (really!) need a more sturdy and careful construction.
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Saturday 20 March 2010 9:52:09 pm
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pettersevenius
CA Team
Sweden
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I would say 6.8-6.2 probably is the perfect size for this board so the combination of 7.0 and 5.9 sounds really good! Powered up on a 6.0 it is really fun!!! 7.6 works for free sailing if the wind is light but you have to work a bit, sl 62 is a much better size for these wind forces.
Dodo: dont agree, try to sail it more on the fin, try almost to lift up your front foot when going downwind... at least it works for me 
Have fun!
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Sunday 21 March 2010 3:45:30 pm
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ChrisBEL29
CA Team
Belgium
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Dodo - don't agree either. Phil smoked everyone on that board at the Defi Wind w/ 7.0 a couple of years ago, and surely he wasn't using it in only one wind direction in the world's most notorious long distance race...Back foot, it's all about back foot. Always.
cheers
c
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Tuesday 30 March 2010 5:58:43 am
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akisman
CA Team
Greece
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Well hi everybody and Alex where have you been ?? U missed the day .
Some facts for the SL 58 in high wind conditions .
These were reported yesterday , but GRE 106 was absent I think .
Place - Loutsa north of Athens , wind force 26-35 knots !!!! Chopy conditions
due to wind direction ie WNW . Gre 106 knows the place ,and gusty also.
Board of cource the SL 58 ( I have the one with the 98lts vol)
Sail : 6.0 m2 no cam Severne NCX pro.
Fin : the unbelievable deboichet sl5 34cm full carbon .
the ultimate kit of the day . What a ride !! ouaou.
I just monitored 31 knots on my gt31 .
yes I was sailing for more than 2 hours .
So my sugestion to Alex ,You will be right for a 7 m2 sail and 38-36 cm fin (dont go for bigger)
and still ok for a 6.0 -6.2 or even 6.5 m2 with fins 32 - 34 cm .
Other CA riders , yesterday with me, were going perfect as well , like Costas with his SL 62 and 6.0 m2 sail and deboichet SL4 34cm .and Dimitris with his brand new SL 58 (96 lt ) and 6.5 m2 Cambered sail and tectonics F1 32 cm .
Dimitris monitored 32 knots ,just to test his speed , he is fast .
Alex ,I think the above will help a lot , and dont forget : pressure on the back foot .
See you by the shore one of the coming days .
All the best to all in the forum .
akisman
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Tuesday 06 April 2010 4:28:38 am
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GR106
CA Rider
Greece
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due to some reasons i have to reregister with a different user name .
i will go for 6,3 and 7,0 m2
also i put a sl5 34 deboichet fin to my guiver .
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Thursday 15 April 2010 6:33:10 am
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GR106
CA Rider
Greece
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i test the board last weekend with TR 3 6,3 well powered and deboichet sl 5 34 and it was fantastic...
i am very happy for the overall board performance if i go one or two sizes fin down it will be a rocket fire board....
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Tuesday 20 April 2010 7:40:05 am
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vincent
CA Team
France
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Hi There,
The 58 is my allround slalom board. I've sailed from 7.6 (vapor) down to 5.5, which means 15 up to 35-40 knots of wind.
The range is HUGE. The 7.6 is ot necessary as it's quite a big sail and a lighter 7.0/7.2 will do better for sure.
You can go up to 36 tecto (or 38 Venom) on it to handle larger sail in lighter winds. The tail is beefy enough to carry without any problem that kind of fin size. The best to ride in 15-20 knots. I use to jump direct from 8.4 down to 6.7 while racing.
In stronger winds, you don't want to go to small as a fin. Usually my 34 Venom is just perfect for 6.0 and even 5.5. The 32 could do the job too.
For the mast setting, I usually set my mast base in the midle or 2 cm aft. The board is just flying at this spot !
The 58 has a huge evolution from the first model I've tried back in 2006. The latest one is smoother, easier, faster and overall better. A must !
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Sunday 02 May 2010 5:40:05 pm
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Firiebob
CA Rider
Australia
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A little video of my SL58 with Venom 34 & 6.8 sail. I find this an ideal combo which I use 90% of the time, I also use a 5.9 & Venom 30 which also works well when needed. The 30 Venom worked a treat with my 6.8 on very flat water, managed a 32 knot nautical mile but that combo doesn't like chop, the SL58 just doesn't get up on top of it then. The SL58 is an awesome board that I mostly use in open ocean and which it loves, has no trouble in any direction. The video is at Green Island but I mostly sail at Yorkey's Beach Queensland which is as I said open ocean and rougher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8g4Kk4eCNI
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Tuesday 04 May 2010 8:20:58 pm
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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Nice spot, nice board, nice video!
The SL58 is my favourite slalom board as I can get a true "small board" feel from it, already from 7.0 weather.
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Tuesday 25 May 2010 5:47:07 am
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GR106
CA Rider
Greece
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nice video
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Sunday 10 October 2010 2:18:52 am
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copello
Member
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Hi GR106
I am on CA boards for the last 6 years and I love them all. I currently have in AUS 55, 62, 75, and getting one 58 in Europe. They last for ever.
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Thursday 27 January 2011 6:03:26 am
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GR106
CA Rider
Greece
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ok lets find out the ideal mastbase position for
A) speed.....
b) control ...
c )average most likely used .....
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Thursday 14 April 2011 1:22:59 am
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.g.e.o.
CA Team
Italy
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Back of center, in any case.
I thought the new '11 models just needed the mast foot to be set at the middle f the box, but last time I sailed the SL66 I discovered it is much better with the mast foot back of center, just like the previous ('10) model.
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Thursday 28 April 2011 7:12:42 am
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GR106
CA Rider
Greece
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for use with TR 6,3 and 7,0
which fin fits best slalom condition from 4- 7 bf
C3 venom 36 or Deboichet sl4 34
for downwind slalom and strong wind i think that i am gonna use the deboichet sl 5 34
Br
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